Full transcript of “Face the Nation” on Oct. 30, 2022

On this “Face the Nation” broadcast, moderated by Margaret Brennan:

  • Jen Easterly, director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Safety Company
  • Rep. Tom Emmer, Republican from Minnesota
  • David Becker, CBS Information election regulation contributor
  • Rep. Sean Maloney, Democrat of New York

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MARGARET BRENNAN: Good morning, and welcome to Face the Nation.

Final week was an especially troubling one in American politics. We now have simply eight days left till Election Day, and the nation is feeling deeply unsettled.

Our CBS Information Battleground Tracker ballot out this morning reveals {that a} beautiful 79 p.c — that is almost eight in 10 doubtless voters — say that the nation is uncontrolled. That is an ominous signal for the Democrats, who maintain energy in Washington. Of these 79 p.c anticipated to vote subsequent Tuesday, Republicans have a greater than 20-point benefit.

Two points, the well being of the economic system and the well being of American democracy, have taken heart stage on this marketing campaign, and it’s the latter topic and the political rhetoric that would assist gas violence that’s below contemporary scrutiny following Friday’s assault on Paul Pelosi, the 82-year-old husband of Home Speaker Nancy Pelosi, at their residence in San Francisco.

CBS Information congressional correspondent Scott MacFarlane has extra.

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SCOTT MACFARLANE (voice-over): The day after the horrific assault, Home Speaker Nancy Pelosi expressed gratitude for regulation enforcement and her husband’s medical crew and stated she and her household have been heartbroken and traumatized by the life-threatening assault.

President Biden spoke with the Pelosis on Saturday.

JOE BIDEN (President of the US): Do not know for sure, but it surely seems to be like this was supposed for Nancy. He stored asking: “The place’s Nancy? The place’s Nancy?”

SCOTT MACFARLANE: Forty-two-year-old David DePape will face a sequence of felony fees within the coming days, together with tried murder, accused of placing the 82-year-old Pelosi within the head a number of occasions with a hammer.

DePape’s social media posts are saturated with conspiracy theories, Holocaust denial and claims of election fraud. Democrats argue Republicans should do extra to denounce the violence and finish the baseless claims that would gas threats.

PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN: That is the issue. We will not simply say, I really feel badly in regards to the violence and we condemn it. Condemn what produces the violence. And this speak produces the violence.

SCOTT MACFARLANE: The assault on Paul Pelosi is the newest in a rising wave of threats and plots in opposition to elected officers.

Capitol Police information obtained by CBS Information present almost 10,000 investigations into threats on members of Congress final yr.

Georgia Democratic Senator Raphael Warnock has spent closely on safety this election cycle.

Our Nikole Killion caught up with him on the marketing campaign path.

SENATOR RAPHAEL WARNOCK (D-Georgia): I am not naive in regards to the powerful second we’re in. And there are people who find themselves attempting to stir that up for short- time period political achieve recreation. It is harmful stuff.

SCOTT MACFARLANE: In the meantime, an intelligence bulletin obtained by CBS Information warns of a heightened risk from home extremist teams on and after Election Day, not simply doable concentrating on of elected officers, however of elections directors, political rallies and of doable makes an attempt to intimidate voters or use claims of fraud to justify violence after the election, particularly in instances the place it takes further time to certify the outcomes.

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SCOTT MACFARLANE: Regardless of baseless claims of fraud, the 2020 election is taken into account probably the most safe and profitable in U.S. historical past.

And voting to date in 2022 has been protected and safe. Up to now, greater than 20 million folks have voted early, and elections officers say they’re being vigilant and coordinating with police, emphasizing, everybody ought to really feel protected popping out to vote — Margaret.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Scott MacFarlane, thanks.

We go now to Jen Easterly, the director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Safety Company, also called CISA. That is the Homeland Safety company tasked with securing America’s cybersecurity infrastructure and coordinating with states on election safety.

And you are going to be very busy. I am glad you are right here with us at this time.

JEN EASTERLY (Director, U.S. Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Safety Company): Nice to be right here.

MARGARET BRENNAN: I wish to ask you about this bulletin, first off.

It warns, home violent extremists could view election-related infrastructure, personnel and voters as engaging targets. Are you conscious of quick and credible threats?


Let me be very clear on the high. We’ve got no details about particular or credible threats to disrupt or compromise election infrastructure. I would like that to be very clear. We’re placing out info, just like the warnings that you simply talked about, to make it possible for state and native election officers have the data that they should shield their voting techniques and their election infrastructure.

That stated, Margaret, it’s a very advanced risk surroundings. You could have cyber threats. You could have insider threats. You could have rampant disinformation. And, sure, very worryingly, you’ve got threats of harassment, intimidation and violence in opposition to election officers, polling locations and voters.

Let’s be actually clear. That has to cease. It’s unacceptable habits. It is undemocratic. And all of us must work collectively to make sure that this can be a protected and safe election.

MARGARET BRENNAN: And it’s the states that administer the election. You might be offering assist to them.

What’s the Election Day plan for safety after which communication? What are we going to listen to and see?

DIRECTOR JEN EASTERLY: So, on Election Day, really, we at CISA are going to be in our personal operations heart.

We will have federal authorities companions, non-public sector companions there, after which we’ll be in direct communication with all the state and native election officers whose job it’s to run and administer elections. We will be working to share info, and we’ll be working to have the ability to reply to something that occurs.

However, bear in mind, on the finish of the day, the connection between native officers and native regulation enforcement is extremely vital. And I used to be actually inspired by the opinion piece that got here out yesterday with the sheriff in Massachusetts, one in Colorado, speaking about the truth that making certain election safety is a nonpartisan challenge, and threats to election officers should cease.

So, that connectivity on the native stage, the data sharing, the planning and exercising that is taking place is absolutely vital to making sure safety on the — on the polling place and on the poll field.

MARGARET BRENNAN: We speak quite a bit about rhetoric and the danger of triggering violence.

And social media is a spot the place false info usually spreads. So, I wish to ask you about what’s taking place now at Twitter. It is now privately owned by billionaire Elon Musk. This morning, he tweeted a conspiracy principle about Nancy Pelosi’s husband.

Given how charged the environment is, are you involved about how this platform may change and that it’ll make your job harder?

DIRECTOR JEN EASTERLY: Nicely, to start with, horrific assault on Mr. Pelosi, and ideas and prayers go to their household.

That could be a resolution that social media firms, that Twitter will make. They make their very own selections, primarily based on phrases of service. I’m laser- centered…

MARGARET BRENNAN: That is the proprietor himself tweeting this out.

DIRECTOR JEN EASTERLY: I’m laser-focused on the subsequent 9 days and the time that comes after elections on doing the whole lot we are able to to make sure safety.

I do wish to be very clear on this, although, Margaret. These elections, election officers, these should not faceless backroom bureaucrats.



These are our kinfolk, our mates, our neighbors. They’re in our neighborhood. They’re devoted public servants which are working day in and day trip to make sure the safety of elections. And so they deserve not simply our assist, however our admiration and respect. And so they need to be protected. And all of us should be accountable about making certain that is a protected and safe surroundings.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Which is why I am asking you in regards to the place the place these conspiracy theories unfold.

The FBI report, after we checked out it, by way of these direct threats to election employees, highlighted Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Nevada, and Wisconsin as locations the place voter intimidation and threats to election employees have been seen.

Are these areas of best concern for you?

DIRECTOR JEN EASTERLY: Involved throughout the board.

We’ve got cyber threats from nation states and cyber criminals. You could have insider threats. You could have bodily threats, as we talked about, after which you’ve got disinformation, so, disinformation, international affect that can be utilized to sow discord, that may undermine confidence in election integrity and that can be utilized to incite violence.

So, what are we doing? We’re doing a pair issues. To start with, we’re placing out details about techniques and disinformation and tips on how to construct resilience in opposition to disinformation. We’ve got a rumor vs.actuality web site that is principally election literacy.

However, most significantly, we’re amplifying the voices of native and state election officers. They’re the trusted voices that perceive how elections work. If anyone has questions on voting or what — the way it all works, it’s best to go to their native — native election officers.


So, that is who they need to be following on Twitter and social media?

DIRECTOR JEN EASTERLY: These are the consultants.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Discover out who your native election official is and comply with their account?

DIRECTOR JEN EASTERLY: Precisely. Precisely.

And, you already know, I ought to level out, the Nationwide Affiliation of Secretaries of State, NASS.org, TrustedInfo2022, a fantastic supply for info, in addition to the Nationwide Affiliation of Election Administrators, NASED.org, often requested questions.

That is one of the best — finest place to go. They know the way elections occur. In case you’ve seen one state in an election, you have seen one state. It is really surprisingly technical and complex, and that is why I welcome folks asking questions.


DIRECTOR JEN EASTERLY: You already know, the fantastic thing about democracy is that it is participatory. We are able to all have a job. So, volunteer, be a ballot employee, ask questions, the extra transparency, the higher.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Earlier than I allow you to go, I wish to ask you in regards to the international risk.

In 2016, Russia probed voter registration logs. We all know there are warnings about what China is doing proper now. How efficient has this marketing campaign by Beijing been? And are there different state actors or non-state actors you are involved about?

DIRECTOR JEN EASTERLY: Yeah, we have seen Russia, we have seen Iran, we have seen China use the playbook for affect operations.

That is why it is so vital that Individuals notice…


DIRECTOR JEN EASTERLY: … that they should construct resilience in opposition to that.

In case you see info that is on the Web, you are unsure whether or not it is true, be essential about it, ask questions, have a look at the supply, examine it, and do not unfold that info any extra broadly and provides — principally give international adversaries an opportunity to control Individuals and to sow discord and to create insecurity in our elections.

However I wish to be very, very clear. I’ve confidence within the elections which are going to be run due to the large quantity of labor that is been executed throughout the federal authorities, at state and native election officers, with election distributors, to place a number of, a number of layers of resilience and safety controls in place.

I’m assured that elections can be protected and safe, and the American folks ought to believe within the integrity of elections once they go to the poll field, once they forged their vote.

MARGARET BRENNAN: All proper, good luck to you. It will likely be a busy subsequent few days and weeks.

Thanks very a lot.

And we flip now to the chairman of the Nationwide Republican Congressional Committee, Minnesota Congressman Tom Emmer.

Good morning. Good to have you ever right here in particular person.

REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER (R-Minnesota): Good morning.

MARGARET BRENNAN: I’ve to ask you about what we have simply been speaking about right here.

How involved are you in regards to the threat of political violence, and the way ought to it’s minimized?

REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: There is not any place for violence, interval, in our society, bodily violence or violence in opposition to somebody’s property.

I believe you have already lined that right here this morning. The incident in San Francisco, tragic as it’s, I believe we’d like some extra details about it, however we must always all be feeling for Paul Pelosi and his household. Hopefully, there can be a one hundred pc restoration.

MARGARET BRENNAN: And simply to be abundantly clear, you denounce any type of assault on the Pelosi household?


There needs to be no assaults, interval. There needs to be no violence in our society, once more, whether or not it is political or in any other case. There is not any place for it in a civilized society.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, I am glad you stated that, as a result of I wish to ask you about one thing in our CBS Information ballot that reveals that, at the same time as Republicans are poised to guide this contest and — and take management of the Home, we see suspicion, particularly amongst Republicans, in regards to the voting course of.

An enormous majority of Republicans assist the concept of personal residents difficult election officers as they course of and report vote counts on election night time. We’re seeing that on the display screen now. Two-thirds of Republicans assist the concept of personal residents patrolling round poll drop bins and polling locations.

That is simply Republicans. We do not see this with Democrats. We don’t see this with independents. Would you urge non-public residents to not patrol polling locations?

REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: Nicely, you picked the phrases, Margaret.

I might say that it’s Republicans, Democrats, independents. All Americans are very acutely conscious, as your earlier visitor simply talked about, about our election course of. I believe that is going to be an excellent election, as a result of individuals are awake. They’re paying consideration.

They need to volunteer as ballot watchers. It is a state-based system. No matter your state requires and permits, it’s best to positively be concerned. And I believe it’ll assist the method.

MARGARET BRENNAN: And simply to be abundantly clear, ballot watching is completely different than voter intimidation, which is illegal.

REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: No person needs to be intimidated once they’re exercising their most treasured proper to vote.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So, whenever you see video, as we’ve got seen in a spot like in Arizona, the place you see people with tactical gear, the place you see people with weapons exterior drop bins, the place — how do you classify that?

REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: Once more, nobody ought to really feel intimidated once they’re exercising their proper to vote.

MARGARET BRENNAN: That’s intimidating?

REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: You’ve got bought — you have bought tales on either side of the aisle. You’ve got tales in many alternative states about how folks have felt as if their proper was infringed on.

I believe cooler heads must prevail.


REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: I actually suppose we’ll have a great election. I believe you have bought 15-million plus which have already participated in early voting throughout this nation.

I believe you are going to have a giant turnout in 9 days to any extent further the election. And I believe, once more, Republicans, Democrats and others are effectively conscious of the problems that we had throughout COVID. Individuals have been stepping up and attempting to do issues to verify we have been protected and protected, however they have been adjusting election legal guidelines on the fly.

I believe a number of that has been resolved. I believe you are going to see a extremely good expertise in 9 days.

MARGARET BRENNAN: OK. So you’ll urge residents to not patrol polling locations?

REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: Once more, I urge everybody, become involved.


REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: No matter your state permits, become involved. Volunteer.


REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: Precisely what your…


REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: … your earlier visitor stated.

MARGARET BRENNAN: As a result of I wish to ask…

REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: Be a part of the method.

MARGARET BRENNAN: I wish to ask you, as a result of, on this bulletin, it additionally talks a few linkage in drawing and — and undermining confidence in elections due to 2020.

And you’re on this listing that we’ve got of 307 Republicans operating for workplace who’ve raised doubts in regards to the integrity of the election. I imply, they’re drawing a direct line right here between sowing mistrust then and what we’re seeing proper now.

Do you remorse sowing doubts your self?

REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: I — what you are referring to, I’ve by no means sowed doubts in regards to the election. I’ve positively raised questions.

MARGARET BRENNAN: However you signed onto this Texas amicus temporary…

REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: Completely. Let’s discuss that.

MARGARET BRENNAN: … that went to the Supreme Court docket to overturn it.

REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: What it stated was — Margaret, what that — what that stated, that amicus temporary, is that lots of people, governors, attorneys basic, secretaries of state, took unilateral motion throughout COVID, altering…


REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: … altering the election legal guidelines themselves.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So, you do not remorse these…

REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: Once more, if I may end — altering election legal guidelines themselves to attempt to make it possible for we have been protected whereas we exercised our proper to vote.

That individual amicus temporary, all it stated was that we have to reaffirm that state legislatures, and legislatures alone, make their election legal guidelines. So, as we go ahead, as soon as we’re out of COVID, we’ve got to…



MARGARET BRENNAN: So, to be clear, you do not contemplate your self an election denier?


MARGARET BRENNAN: And Joe Biden is the legitimately elected…


MARGARET BRENNAN: … president of United States of America?


REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: He is sworn. He is serving. He’s the president of the US.

MARGARET BRENNAN: He’s the president of the US. However you stand by…

REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: And we have an election in 9 days. We have got an election in 9 days that we have been engaged on for the final two years.


REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: You reported within the in — intro that eight out of ten Individuals in that very same ballot that you simply’re referring to are involved with the place this nation is. They are saying it is uncontrolled.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper, however you are not undermining…

REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: In case you look, eight out of 10…

MARGARET BRENNAN: You are not that means to undermine confidence within the 2020 election together with your feedback right here?

REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: Eight out of ten Individuals proper now suppose we’re on the flawed observe. That is what they’ll be voting on in 9 days.


And I might love to speak about one thing apart from folks worrying for his or her lives. However, sadly, that is the place we’re.

I wish to ask you about this on the subject of political violence. In your Twitter feed, you posted this video we’ll present just some days in the past the place you are firing a gun, and it says: “Loved exercising my Second Modification rights. #FirePelosi.”

Why is there a gun in a political advert in any respect?

REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: It wasn’t an advert. I used to be — I used to be tweeting out — I used to be tweeting out one thing that I had simply executed.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Hashtag — or a tweet — hashtag #FirePelosi, with a weapon.

REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: Nicely, now you are…

MARGARET BRENNAN: Would not a pink slip be extra becoming, if it is about firing her?

REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: It is attention-grabbing, Margaret.


REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: It is attention-grabbing, Margaret, that we’re speaking about this, this morning, when, a few years again, when a Bernie Sanders supporter shot Steve Scalise…

MARGARET BRENNAN: Which was horrendous and horrific…

REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: … when a Bernie Sanders supporter…

MARGARET BRENNAN: … which is why we needs to be not…


MARGARET BRENNAN: … be placing weapons…

REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: … I by no means heard you or anybody else within the media attempting responsible Democrats for what occurred.

We have to keep centered on what we’re all doing…

MARGARET BRENNAN: We did intensive protection of what occurred to Steve Scalise.


MARGARET BRENNAN: There was intensive protection, sir.

REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: However no person tried to equate Democrats’ rhetoric, people who say…

MARGARET BRENNAN: I am not speaking about your rhetoric. I am speaking about what you posted.

REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: It is the identical.

MARGARET BRENNAN: You are capturing a gun. Our viewers simply noticed it.


MARGARET BRENNAN: Hashtag #FirePelosi.

REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: Exercising our Second Modification rights, having enjoyable…

MARGARET BRENNAN: That is not a debate in regards to the Second Modification.

REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: … capturing a gun. Yeah.

MARGARET BRENNAN: That is not a debate in regards to the Second Modification.


MARGARET BRENNAN: Hashtag #FirePelosi.


I — I am operating the marketing campaign operation.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you not perceive that that’s suggestive to people who find themselves in a foul state, and, on this present surroundings, how dangerous it’s? As you are speaking about…

REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: Nicely, I disagree, Margaret.

MARGARET BRENNAN: … the significance of reducing the rhetoric…

REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: I disagree with you.

MARGARET BRENNAN: … why do you permit that up?

REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: Once more, I by no means noticed anybody after Steve Scalise was shot by a…

MARGARET BRENNAN: I am speaking about proper now…

REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: … Bernie Sanders supporter…

MARGARET BRENNAN: … what simply is going on proper now.

REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: .. attempting to equate — equate Democrat rhetoric with these actions. Please do not do this.


Taking a look at your candidates, Republican candidates have spent greater than $116 million on adverts that talked about Speaker Pelosi by identify of their cycle. If that is in regards to the points, why should not make it in regards to the points? Why not depersonalize it?

REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: It’s completely in regards to the points. It is about the truth that we’ve got double-digit inflation…

MARGARET BRENNAN: You do not suppose…

REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: … exploding — exploding value of dwelling. We have got against the law wave throughout this nation that may be a direct consequence — is the direct consequence…

MARGARET BRENNAN: On this second — we’re eight days out — do not you suppose this wants to vary?


MARGARET BRENNAN: Why not pull a few of these adverts? Why not simply delete your tweet?

REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: Nicely, I am certain — I am certain folks wish to discuss something however what the Democrats have executed to this nation, which, fairly frankly, is exploding value of dwelling, against the law wave in our main cities that’s the results of this defund the police nonsense and cashless bail.

I imply, you have a look at New York Metropolis, the place you set somebody in jail at 9:00 p.m. for assaulting somebody on the road and so they’re again out on the road at 9:00 a.m. committing crimes once more. You have a look at my state of Minnesota, Minneapolis, it is had 6,000 assaults for the reason that starting of the yr, Margaret.


REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: These are the problems which are high of thoughts for each voter on this nation.


REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: That is why they’ll present up in — on the — on November 8.


REPRESENTATIVE TOM EMMER: And that is why Republicans are going to win within the midterms.

MARGARET BRENNAN: That is what our projections are exhibiting.

However I might recommend extra pink slips, fewer weapons in our adverts on this surroundings.

Sir, thanks for becoming a member of us.

Face the Nation can be proper again. Stick with us.


MARGARET BRENNAN: And we’re joined now by David Becker. He’s CBS Information election regulation contributor.

David, welcome again right here.

We simply had that dialog in regards to the surroundings that we’re in proper now. I do know you’ve got been elevating issues for some time about a lot of your colleagues, folks you already know who function election employees, who’re fearful about what’s to return.

What are you listening to?

DAVID BECKER: Sure, I imply, they’ve been struggling for 2 years now abuse, threats and harassment not solely directed at them and their staffs, however their households, their youngsters in some instances. It looks as if election deniers do wish to create an surroundings of worry.

I believe they need election officers to be scared. And so they need voters to be scared, to some extent. I believe it is also actually exceptional that voters have responded with over 20 million of them voting already. We’ve got 1.6 million of them having already voted in Georgia alone.

The surroundings is absolutely scary proper now for lots. I imply, we see that from the polling. We see that from what Scott was simply speaking about earlier as effectively.

MARGARET BRENNAN: And these are folks in your neighborhood that you already know.


MARGARET BRENNAN: This is not huge, dangerous Washington.



DAVID BECKER: I speak to election officers repeatedly. I used to be speaking to an election official in Florida simply final night time who was coping with a problem at a polling place.

I speak to election officers in Arizona, together with these points that we’ve got seen in Maricopa County, Arizona. Necessary to notice that…

MARGARET BRENNAN: These males within the tactical gear that we have been simply speaking about.

DAVID BECKER: Proper, at a few…

MARGARET BRENNAN: … {that a} federal — federal decide says is their — is permitted.

DAVID BECKER: Proper, sure, at the very least for now.

It has been appealed to the Ninth Circuit, and it is going to be heard subsequent week. So, we are going to see if that’s nonetheless the case. Beneath federal regulation, there are a number of statutes that prohibit voter intimidation or tried voter intimidation.

And I can inform you, as a former lawyer who used to serve within the Division of Justice, that videotaping or photographing voters in opposition to their will, following them, that has been the type of exercise that the DOJ has considered as intimidating up to now.

MARGARET BRENNAN: I wish to make a really clear distinction right here, as a result of we have been speaking about with Congressman Emmer the decision for folks — and you’ve got heard it from the top of the RNC — to return and watch voting happen.

That isn’t unlawful.

DAVID BECKER: No, it is not solely not unlawful.

Correctly skilled ballot watching by each events is a extremely good factor. Excessive transparency is one thing that is practiced by election officers everywhere in the nation. They need folks to return in and see what they’re doing. That could be a actually good factor. However they function flies on the wall. In the event that they see an issue, they’re speculated to report it to the right authorities.

Once we see vigilantes — and that is solely taking place in a couple of locations — begin to take issues into their very own fingers, these individuals are not correctly skilled. However individuals who wish to volunteer to be ballot employees working for the precise election jurisdiction, extra ballot watchers working for his or her campaigns or their political events, so long as they’re well-trained, that is a extremely good a part of the method.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Mm-hmm. However voter intimidation is illegal.

DAVID BECKER: That is proper.

MARGARET BRENNAN: You — we have been trying in our analysis right here at that the AP has a report saying probably the most litigation ever fired — filed earlier than an election is going on proper now, most of these lawsuits by Republicans.

What does that sign to you?

DAVID BECKER: Nicely, I believe individuals are very attuned to what is going on on with the election course of. That is not essentially a foul factor.

We’re additionally seeing efforts to vary guidelines in purple areas as effectively, issues to put in hand counting of ballots, which is a extremely dangerous concept, actually comes up with inaccurate counts, takes quite a bit longer, breeds extra concern in regards to the course of. A county known as Nye County in Nevada is doing that.

However resolving these sorts of disputes earlier than the election is an efficient factor. So, if we’re having a number of litigation, it is vital for everybody to know the foundations by election night time.


DAVID BECKER: It is not OK to query these guidelines after the election. You talked about that Texas lawsuit that got here in December 2020.


DAVID BECKER: That was an ideal instance of that.

MARGARET BRENNAN: All proper, thanks very a lot, David Becker.

DAVID BECKER: Thanks, Margaret.

And we can be seeing much more of you, I do know, within the coming days and weeks.

We can be proper again.


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We go now to the chair of the Democratic Congressional Marketing campaign Committee, that is New York Congressman Sean Patrick Maloney.

Good morning to you.

REP. SEAN PATRICK MALONEY (D-NY) (Democratic Congressional Marketing campaign Committee Chair): Good morning.

MARGARET BRENNAN: I wish to begin the place we simply left off with our different friends. How involved are you in regards to the threat of political violence? And might you say, unequivocally, that you simply and your fellow Democrats will settle for the end result of your elections?

SEAN PATRICK MALONEY: After all, we’ll settle for the end result of the elections. All the time have. All the time will.

And – and we’re very involved in regards to the integrity of our elections, particularly when individuals are attempting to intimidate folks with weapons, once they’re engaged in these techniques to attempt to undermine confidence.

Now, we’re – we’ll settle for the outcomes of the election. That is – that is the American means.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, I am glad you stated that as a result of there’s been a number of consideration drawn to feedback by some Democrats, together with Hillary Clinton, who simply launched a taped assertion on-line the place she was speaking about upcoming elections and he or she stated, right-wing extremists have already got a plan to actually steal the subsequent presidential election and so they’re not making a secret of it.

I perceive hyperbole, however would you agree that that is not useful within the present surroundings to speak about plots to steal elections?

SEAN PATRICK MALONEY: Sure, no, I do not perceive what which means and I did not see the remark.

Let me – let me inform you what I believe. What I believe is that it is completely professional for each events to make it possible for voting is truthful, that there is no fraud, that when votes are forged, that the folks have a proper to forged them or do not. And that is regular. And in a detailed election, you might need a recount, you might need different examination of absentee ballots. That is all run of the mill stuff.

What’s completely different is folks exhibiting up with weapons and sitting behind a pickup truck subsequent to a drop field attempting to scare the tar out of people who find themselves simply exercising their vote.

What’s completely different is when a president, for the primary time in our historical past, says he was cheated out of the consequence when he is aware of that is a lie. So, let’s — let’s not – let’s not – let’s not faux for a minute that either side have the identical – identical quantity of accountability for – for the lack of confidence in our elections. One facet has been on the market for a few years now doing the whole lot they’ll to faux Joe Biden did not win truthful and sq. when he did. And that is the distinction.

MARGARET BRENNAN: On that subject, Democrats shelled out about $53 million to assist 13 Republican candidates in the course of the primaries. I do know you are a part of technique right here and the technique was to raise much less electable Republicans in an effort to profit Democrats. And a few of this labored for you, however in at the very least two races these guys have practical photographs at victory. I am taking a look at John Gibbs in Michigan, for instance.

Do you’re taking duty for serving to election deniers?

SEAN PATRICK MALONEY: Nicely, on the DCCC, there’s just one race within the nation, one, the place we – the place we have interaction within the – within the tactic you are speaking about. And what we did was we ran an advert that is true that stated he is too excessive for western Michigan. And we ran that basic election advert about two weeks early. And Hillary Scholten has been beating him constantly since she grew to become our nominee. She’s a powerful pro-choice Democrat. He is a nut.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So that you stand by the technique?

SEAN PATRICK MALONEY: And he or she’s going to — and he or she’s going to beat him.

What I can inform you is that, in a price range of $340 million, we spent about $400,000 operating a real basic election industrial two weeks early calling John Gibbs an extremist, which he’s. And – and that is all you are speaking about.

Now, I can not be — I – I can not reply to what governors did or what senators did or what different folks did. However the committee I ran, in a price range of $300 million, put $400,000 into dashing up a basic election advert that was truthful.


SEAN PATRICK MALONEY: And we’ll win that race.

MARGARET BRENNAN: The highest three points after we speak to voters that they inform us they’re involved about are economic system, inflation and crime. Half of voters, based on our ballot, suppose Democrats would minimize police funding. Now, I noticed an advert the DCCC simply purchased in your district, and it opens with you speaking to a policeman. You might be keenly conscious of this. Why hasn’t your celebration been capable of shake that notion of being gentle on crime?

SEAN PATRICK MALONEY: Nicely, as a result of a lie will get midway world wide earlier than the reality will get its sneakers on, because the saying goes. In my very own case, I introduced $7 million for native police departments, supported the Make investments to Shield Act, which is able to fund all of the police departments in my district, all below 125 officers. That is crucial assist we have executed for police in 30 years.

And should you care about rising crime, my goodness, we must always hearken to police who’re begging us to do one thing in regards to the gun violence, which is on the coronary heart of a lot rise in crime. And, in fact, the MAGA crowd is within the pocket of the NRA and will not contact widespread sense (ph) bipartisan gun security laws, which we handed via the Home.

So, we’ve got a report of outcomes supporting good policing and – and – and going after gun violence. And that is what folks must know.

MARGARET BRENNAN: In our ballot, 46 p.c of voters imagine Republicans’ financial insurance policies will assist them. Solely 40 p.c say the identical about Democrats. Fifty-three p.c of voters imagine fuel costs will go up below Democrats. Twenty-one p.c say the identical of the – of the GOP. I imply, because you’re speaking technique right here, in these closing days, how do you alter these perceptions and the way do you get out youthful voters?

SEAN PATRICK MALONEY: Proper. Nicely, what folks must know is that we’ve got a plan for cheaper fuel, cheaper groceries, cheaper housing, cheaper well being care. We’ve got a plan for safer streets, supporting good policing and attacking gun violence, which is a lot of the issue, and supporting our freedoms, our reproductive freedoms and our voting rights. And that is a — these are actual plans.

Now, you may take a ballot and you’ll – you may take a snapshot at any given time. However, in fact, your former visitor had no plan for the economic system. They don’t have any plan for gun violence. They don’t have any plan to maneuver our nation ahead, defending voting rights, defending reproductive freedoms. So — so what I might say is, do not punish the people who find themselves fixing your issues and do not reward the people who find themselves attempting to use the issues for their very own political energy. That is actually the distinction proper now. We’re – we’re engaged within the laborious work of bringing our nation ahead. The opposite facet’s engaged on their very own energy.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Congressman, thanks on your time this morning.

We’ll be proper again.


MARGARET BRENNAN: We wish to take a better have a look at a few of our battleground tracker findings and the problems which are setting the temper in America in these last days of marketing campaign ’22.

Mark Strassmann experiences from Los Angeles.


MARK STRASSMANN (voice over): America’s zeitgeist, vulnerability, like this residence invasion hammer assault on a politician’s 82-year-old partner, reinforcing we’re an anxious, usually resentful bunch heading into midterms.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now with Joe Biden, there is a huge thumb on high of you the place you may’t get pleasure from your self.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I simply must see some peace. And I believe the one means to do that is voting.

MARK STRASSMANN: The economic system, particularly inflation, indisputably high of thoughts in voter nervousness.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The price of groceries are outrageous. Utilities are outrageous. It retains going up.

MARK STRASSMANN (on digicam): And fuel costs. Have a look at these in Los Angeles, proper at $7 a gallon for normal. That will be nightmarish in many of the nation. However right here in L.A., costs have really been coming down within the final couple weeks.

MARK STRASSMANN (voice over): In our newest CBS Information ballot of registered voters, a majority blame President Biden and the Democrats for the economic system and fuel costs. The president combating that notion.

JOE BIDEN, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Unemployment shouldn’t be 6.5 however 3.5 p.c, the bottom it has been in 50 years.

MARK STRASSMANN: Republicans see inflation numbers and scent blood.

SEN. TED CRUZ (R-TX): Not only a purple wave, however a purple tsunami.

MARK STRASSMANN: Crime is one other voter fear, like final week’s lethal faculty capturing in St. Louis, the fortieth this yr involving accidents or deaths. In main cities, homicide charges and shootings, each down barely, however from a 30 p.c spike two years in the past. Our ballot reveals Republicans have a double-digit lead on crime insurance policies to make you’re feeling safer.

However American voters need this election cycle of management to confront different challenges. Immigration, an infectious dies trifecta, Covid, the flu and RSV, gun coverage and abortion in a post-Roe America. Our ballot says a majority of voters suppose Republicans will move a nationwide abortion ban.

One other fear, tradition wars invading the classroom and efficiency that is plummeting. It is yet one more problem calling out for grownup intervention as thousands and thousands of Individuals now vote for his or her concept of a grownup, figuring out that whoever wins, half the nation will resent it, once more.


MARGARET BRENNAN: Mark Strassmann reporting from Los Angeles.

Our new CBS Information battleground tracker ballot reveals Republicans nonetheless have an edge within the race for management of the Home. CBS Information elections and surveys director Anthony Salvanto is right here.

Anthony, inform us extra.

ANTHONY SALVANTO: Good morning, Margaret.

You already know, we have been speaking to voters all through this marketing campaign in all of the congressional districts. Proper now our newest CBS Information estimate is that the Republicans lead in 228 districts. That is sufficient to take the Home majority.

Now, there’s a vary round these estimates. Let me present you the political implications right here. They actually focus on turnout. You may ask, do Democrats have any probability to hold on, even to a slim Home majority? The reply to that begins with the chance that they’d get greater turnout from youthful voters. If voters present up the way in which they did in, say, 2018, that would get the Democrats a bit of bit nearer, make the Home successfully even. The difficulty for them is, we’ve got not seen sturdy indications that that’s going to occur.

The extra doubtless situation is that Republicans, who do have an specific turnout benefit, extra motivation, extra enthusiasm to date, if their turnout benefit grows, we plug that into the mannequin and that will get the Republicans as much as 238 seats, a barely bigger majority.

Now, in any case, we’re taking a look at a seat achieve right here for the Republicans that is about and even under common for a celebration out of energy. You may ask why that’s, particularly given the issues in regards to the state of the nation and the state of the economic system.

Let me present you a break up that I believe tells a number of the story.

I requested folks, which issues you extra, whether or not or not the U.S. goes to have a functioning democracy or whether or not it’ll have a powerful economic system? And the outcomes are considerably break up. However have a look at the voting variations right here. Those that are extra involved about functioning of democracy, voting for Democrats. These extra involved in regards to the sturdy economic system, voting for Republicans. And I believe that defines the way in which that voters see the very massive stakes right here and the way in which the events are expressing these stakes, which is partly why this race is so locked in.


MARGARET BRENNAN: Anthony Salvanto, thanks.

And we’ll be proper again.


MARGARET BRENNAN: For extra now we flip to our political panel.

Amy Walter, writer and editor-in-chief of “The Cook dinner Political Report,” senior White Home and political correspondent, Ed O’Keefe is right here, and Nick Timiraos, chief financial correspondent for “The Wall Avenue Journal” can be on the desk.

Good morning to all of you.

AMY WALTER (Writer and editor-in chief, “Cook dinner Political Report with Amy Walter”): Good morning.

NICK TIMIRAOS (Chief financial correspondent, “The Wall Avenue Journal): Hello.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So, Amy, we simply heard Anthony’s situation right here. This isn’t a purple wave, however it’s a Republican majority. Does it match with what you are seeing?

AMY WALTER: Sure. I believe the way in which that Anthony pointed it out is a really good mind-set about this.

You already know, elections — usually midterm elections, the problem for the in-party normally is that their very own facet does not prove. And that is the place the opposite facet is far more motivated. And whenever you see these huge, huge positive aspects, like we noticed say in 1994 or 2010 on the a part of Republicans. This yr we’re seeing that Republicans and Democrats are motivated. Republicans a bit of bit extra. However Democrats really feel fairly good that they are at the very least getting extra of their base turned out. Now, younger voters being at all times a problem for Democrats.

However, look, I believe what occurred over the course of the summer season is that the problems surrounding abortion rights, plus the concentrate on Donald Trump, January sixth, and, fairly frankly, a bit of higher of an financial image gave some enhance of enthusiasm to Democrats and bought them energized by way of the voters, extra energized to prove. However it feels as if that has just about stalled. That it hit this level and it hasn’t actually gone a lot additional. And, as an alternative, the place the main target is now, it is not as a lot about abortion or Donald Trump, and far more in regards to the issues that Anthony identified, which is the economic system, fuel costs and other people feeling, fairly frankly, fairly caught.

MARGARET BRENNAN: And we body this as, you already know, type of a alternative with (INAUDIBLE). And – and, Ed, in a few of these current politic adverts, I am eager about in Maloney’s district, I used to be simply watching one, they’re altering the main target to be about extremism.


MARGARET BRENNAN: So not even speaking in regards to the affirmative case, however worry the opposite facet.

ED O’KEEFE: Proper. Not – and never solely within the realm of democracy and – and people issues, however within the realm of abortion rights and – and Social Safety and Medicare being ripped up or rethought.

I watched Maloney this week really make that precise argument to a bunch of seniors in assisted dwelling services. He stated, should you do not suppose they may come after your Social Safety and Medicare, look what they simply did to abortion rights after 50 years of threatening to do it. In order that’s type of a option to make each arguments on the identical time however not make an unique (ph) abortion argument. And that is the type of pivoting that they’ve executed right here, now realizing that abortion is not as pressing a problem.

A part of the rationale one Republican I talked to this week stated, look, you go have a look at moms throughout the nation who could also be involved about abortion rights, however they are not essentially bumping up in opposition to the difficulty of abortion rights day-after-day, they’re bumping up in opposition to the truth that beef is costing thrice as a lot because it did earlier than.


ED O’KEEFE: And people extra pressing financial points could also be what’s drawing folks again over to the Republican facet.


I wish to come again to the difficulty of abortion in a second.

However, Nick, are you able to choose up on this as a result of our ballot reveals 69 p.c of voters describe the situation of the nationwide economic system as dangerous. Solely 27 p.c say it is good.

You’ve got bought a chunk saying — out in “The Journal” saying principally American shoppers are doing fairly effectively.


MARGARET BRENNAN: So, why do not they really feel that means?

NICK TIMIRAOS: Sure, that is a fantastic query, Margaret. You already know, the difficulty right here is that should you have a look at the labor market, 3.5 p.c unemployment charge, what’s to not like about that? However should you have a look at, you already know, what’s taking place with wages, they don’t seem to be maintaining with costs. We had one other report Friday that reveals that Individuals’ wages should not maintaining with costs. And so these are actual earnings cuts. No person likes that. You drive by the fuel station, you see how costly fuel is and also you have a look at what’s taking place proper now with rates of interest, they’ve gone up quite a bit this yr. Mortgage charges this week are above 7 p.c for the 30-year mounted charge mortgage. We have not seen that since 2001.

So, sure, on paper, you already know, there are issues you may level to that look nice, however folks simply do not feel nice about it.

MARGARET BRENNAN: And we’ve got this Fed assembly within the coming days. What are the conversations contained in the Federal Reserve proper now about when inflation will get higher and what they plan to do?

NICK TIMIRAOS: Nicely, the issue for the Fed is that financial coverage takes time. It acts with a delay on the economic system. So, you may’t see your strikes instantly.

The Fed, this yr, has raised rates of interest because the quickest tempo for the reason that Eighties. Usually they elevate charges by 1 / 4 level each six weeks or so. This yr they have been going at three-quarters of a share level. And when you do not have time to see how that influences the economic system, it is like barreling down the freeway however utilizing the rearview mirror to information the place you are going. It raises the danger that you’ll drive off the street.

And the issue right here for the Fed is, they cannot take a threat of not getting on high of this inflation as a result of though the danger of doing an excessive amount of is a recession, the danger of not doing sufficient is that inflation simply stays excessive and it’s important to have an even bigger downturn later.

MARGARET BRENNAN: And, I imply, these are the small print of it. That’s financial coverage. What’s it that – that Republicans are literally arguing, Ed, they’ll do as a result of, actually, the fact is, their fingers are fairly tied right here.

ED O’KEEFE: They’re. I – you already know, should you learn their web sites, should you hearken to what they are saying –


ED O’KEEFE: They wish to minimize authorities spending and, in some instances, they wish to see implementation of the bipartisan infrastructure invoice that both they voted for and so they do not wish to admit that can assist their districts even when they voted in opposition to it. And I –

AMY WALTER: Sure, I imply –

ED O’KEEFE: Go forward.

AMY WALTER: Nicely, and that is the underside line, whenever you’re in cost, and issues are going effectively, you get the credit score, a number of which you do not deserve. If you’re in cost and issues aren’t going effectively, you get the blame, even should you do not’ deserve all of it. And whenever you’re the out celebration, you get the advantage of the doubt as a result of voters are saying, effectively, I do not know, if Ed can actually repair this, however these of us who’re in cost, they are not doing an excellent job. Let’s simply – let’s simply put it — let’s simply give them a shot, which is why Democrats are doing the extremism factor.

If individuals are upset with the established order, which they clearly are, Democrats’ solely probability to carry on, particularly in a few of these Senate races, is to say, the larger threat is taking a threat on the opposite facet. Staying with the established order you do not like is uncomfortable however not as dangerous.

ED O’KEEFE: And the opposite ironic factor, quite a bit – very like the Fed, the – the issue for the Biden administration and Democrats is a number of their accomplishments are going to take time to be carried out.

AMY WALTER: Proper. That is proper.

ED O’KEEFE: The Medicare value cuts do not kick in till subsequent yr.

AMY WALTER: That is proper.

ED O’KEEFE: The bridge is not getting rebuilt till early 2024.


ED O’KEEFE: To allow them to discuss all these items within the summary, however the voter cannot see it but.

AMY WALTER: That is proper. That is proper.

ED O’KEEFE: The president could know, come my re-election, if I am operating in 2024, folks will see what I did –

AMY WALTER: That is proper.

ED O’KEEFE: However I — they will not have the ability to see it earlier than November eighth.

MARGARET BRENNAN: It is also type of laborious typically to message round market forces.

ED O’KEEFE: Proper. Form of?

MARGARET BRENNAN: You already know, an – an power analyst that I – that I communicate to was stating, you already know, Ron Klein, the chief of workers to the president, tweets virtually day by day in regards to the value of fuel. He is like, why are they attempting to personal one thing they can’t management?

ED O’KEEFE: That could be a query that the White Home chief of workers goes to should reply for. And never solely is — why are they tweeting about one thing that they cannot management, why is he tweeting a lot to start with each morning about this and different points when he, maybe, needs to be operating the White Home? I’ve heard this from Democrats. I believe we’ll hear it much more from Democrats after the elections if it goes south for them.

It’s an obsession for them as a result of they know it’s the psychological and the type of knowledge barometer that we have all used to measure inflation and the dialogue in regards to the economic system. However, sure, it’s one thing utterly out of their management. And maybe by doing that it is — as that power analyst famous, it might have drawn an excessive amount of consideration to the president and permits him to take extra of the blame.

MARGARET BRENNAN: You already know, Nick, in “The Journal,” a survey of economists placing the chance of recession over the subsequent 12 months as 63 p.c. So, that’s the Congress that Republicans could be strolling in to regulate.

NICK TIMIRAOS: Sure. And the difficulty right here is, the economic system is slowing. We knew it was going to sluggish as a result of we had a growth final yr. But when it does not sluggish sufficient, if shoppers hold spending the financial savings that they’ve accrued in the course of the pandemic, then that simply means the Fed goes to return in and lift rates of interest extra. You already know, this week we’ll get near 4 p.c on the coverage charge that the Fed units, however we may go nearer to five p.c subsequent yr. And, you already know, there is a – there is a Fed chairman who used to say that it was the Fed’s job to take the punch bowl away because the celebration was getting began. And that is what you are seeing this yr.

But when shoppers hold spending cash, we had very stable earnings experiences this previous week from United, Visa, Coca-Cola, if shoppers hold spending, then Jay Powell goes to get on the cellphone and name the cops and say, we have to get the noise quantity down right here. We have got – we have to get these folks to go residence as a result of that is simply not sustainable to have inflation persevering with to run greater and better and better.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper. And that is laborious to elucidate typically that like issues — some issues are going to get dearer by design. It may get dearer so that you can borrow cash due to what’s taking place.


MARGARET BRENNAN: Coming again to the difficulty of abortion, Amy and Ed. I believe it is attention-grabbing that the dynamic appears to have modified on this by way of bringing out voters. You have been saying, Ed, that folks really feel inflation, maybe, is a extra quick disaster than abortion entry.

I ponder, Amy, as a result of it is so completely different state by state.

AMY WALTER: Proper. That is what we’re –


AMY WALTER: It is fairly attention-grabbing really. The place we’re seeing Democratic — particularly candidates for the Home, having probably the most hassle is definitely in blue states, like Oregon, California, locations the place the difficulty of abortion is fairly effectively settled. These are Democratic-run states. They’re – the — it is not an existential query —

MARGARET BRENNAN: As a result of the state has already codified it?

AMY WALTER: As a result of the state has both codified or it is Democratic and the governors’ candidates have all pledged to go ahead in that means.

It is the purple and purple states, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, the place we all know that this challenge shouldn’t be settled and the place, in Michigan, in fact, they’ve a poll initiative, in addition to a governor’s race. You could have governor races in these different states. So, there’s far more of a – of a friction there, proper, in regards to the resolution being decided by your vote this November that is not as obvious in a few of these blue states.

ED O’KEEFE: Sure. And the truth that they should run into New York, Oregon, the president’s going to New Mexico this week.


ED O’KEEFE: All of it speaks to the truth that maybe they could have miscalculated how abortion would work in these states and the way a lot cash Republicans should spend proper now within the closing weeks to essentially put a bunch of Democrats on the ropes.


Good to have all three of you right here. Thanks very a lot.

And that is going to do it for us right here at FACE THE NATION at this time. Thanks for watching. And tune in subsequent Tuesday, Election Day. I can not imagine that. Wow.

AMY WALTER: I can not imagine you simply stated that.

MARGARET BRENNAN: And night time, beginning at 5:00 p.m. on our streaming community with a particular version of “Purple and Blue.” And we’ll be on each the broadcasts and streaming networks beginning at 8:00 p.m. Jap Time via the night time and into the morning.

For FACE THE NATION, I am Margaret Brennan.


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